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Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Fire

Dan McDonald
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Deputy Forest Supervisor Laurence Crabtree updates the Plumas County Supervisors on Forest Service efforts to battle the Chips Fire.    Photo by Dan McDonald
Staff Writer
8/8/2012

“We are committed to stopping this fire. Every day we plan to turn the corner on this.”

That was Deputy Plumas National Forest Supervisor Laurence Crabtree’s message to the county’s Board of Supervisors.

Crabtree, along with Forest Supervisor Earl Ford and Public Affairs Officer Lee Anne Schramel, briefed the supervisors during the board’s Tuesday, Aug. 7, meeting.

After Crabtree brought the supervisors up to date on the Chips Fire, some of the board members asked Crabtree how long it took the Forest Service to respond to the fire after it was spotted about 2 a.m. July 29.

“We are very interested to know what happened between 1:45 a.m. and noon,” board chairman Robert Meacher said.

In order to get specific times, Crabtree returned to his Quincy office and responded to the supervisors via email.

Supervisor Sherrie Thrall read Crabtree’s email aloud during open session later that morning.

Following is the text of Crabtree’s email:

A Forest Service engine crew first reported this fire at about 2 am. The fire was estimated to be 10-25 acres. Three Type 1 crews were ordered immediately. At 3 am a heavy resource order was placed for: 8 Type 1 crews (hotshots), 3 air tankers, multiple helicopters and a rappel crew. At 3:30 am the Incident Commander was on the fire and pegged the fire at 15 acres and burning actively. First crews arrived at 6 am on the fire. First retardant drops were made by 10 am. By 1 pm (fire was 25 acres) there were multiple air tankers, 2 Type 1 helicopters, 8 Type 1 crews, and 7 engine crews fighting this fire. The fire was held at 25 acres for three shifts. The terrain and fuel loading in the vicinity of the fire has made this a very difficult fire to contain even with the best fire fighters and equipment available. We will continue to fight this fire aggressively but provide for firefighter safety.”

 

Briefing to supervisors

During Crabtree’s briefing to the supervisors, he emphasized the challenges associated with fighting an out-of-control wildfire in rugged terrain.

“This is a tough, difficult, dangerous fire,” Crabtree said. “We have been hammering away on this fire with all the resources that we think we need for several days now.

“And it is continuing to grow. And it’s growing on several sides. But we are committed to stopping this fire.

“Our theme is putting the right resources in the right place at the right time. We will use every resource that is available to us.

“When you have a forest that is as dry as ours, and when you have spot fires a mile in advance of the front at times, there is just a limit to how much dozers and air tankers will do for you.

“I was down on the highway (the morning of July 29) when this fire started. It was 25 acres and we had three of the largest-type of helicopters we could get working that fire.

“We thought we were going to catch it. We had firefighters on the hillside going, what we call, ‘direct’ ... building a line right on the fire line. We went at that for three days. The fire kept growing.

“We were hurting people every day. And we said we have got to bring in another team — which we did. We brought in a Type-1 team — the best fire team we can get. And they have a plan to contain this fire in about a 30,000-acre boundary.

“We will cut it off smaller if we can. If we can’t, we have contingency plans in place.

“Every day we plan to turn the corner on this fire. The folks that I met with in the fire camp (Tuesday) morning ... they are planning to turn the corner on this fire today.

“And if we don’t, we are going to put a plan together to turn the corner on this fire tomorrow.

“The agency is committed to this.”

 

Comments  

 
-6#1RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-09 08:06
you mean "kind committed to stopping this fire" watching the plains circle,circle,circle for up to 1/2 hour what a waist. how about every one fly & dump clockwise or counterclockwise PICK 1.can't put it out wiht the water stuck in the air,waiting for the little plain to show them where to put it
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-2#2RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-09 13:34
i know enough to know the ignorance of 6 planes circling for a 1/2 hour,,each.circling water dosen't put fire out.a fact you seem to be void of.
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-1#3Wow DennisYup2012-08-09 16:18
I have an idea let's send you out there to fight the fire since you know everything about what they are doing. Be thankful for the men & women currently breaking their backs out there for the safety of the towns & the people who reside in it, instead of blasting these articles with your ignorance.
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+2#4objective observer5thcommjarhead2012-08-09 20:03
Dickerson's comments reassure me that my hypothosis that humanity is in the process of devolution (reverse evolution) stands a good chance of becoming theory.
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+1#5WowGreat Full2012-08-09 21:37
To Mr. Dickerson, Ignorance is Bliss!! It is very apparent you have never been in a helicopter to know what your talking about(hint spotter plain),for safety.
Thanks to all the men & women, fighting the fires:-)
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-3#6RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-10 06:51
U R right.Ignorance is Bliss,,,thay could of had the fire way out by now.& thier putting every one in danger.fact is more folks have got hurt ever sence cal fire as tacken over.circling circling circling circling circling circling circling circling circling circling
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-3#7RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-10 07:26
if there was just some way,, to get some 95% more water on the fire,,,,circling circling circling circling
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0#8RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips FireFirefighter2012-08-10 08:01
Dennis, Clearly you have never fought fire. Nobody can fault you for that. But you uniformed observations are another matter. CalFire has not taken over the fire. It is being managed by the Forest Service. That aircraft you see circling..that is the air attack that directs the other aircraft.
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-2#9RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-10 08:16
correct!!directs the other aircraft,,what do thay do wile waiting for to be directed?circling circling circling, like the pilots are to dumb to figure out where to dump,,,if there was just some way,, to get some 95%+ more water on the fire
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-2#10RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-10 08:19
here's a simple plan,you might get it,,you take the right flank,,you the left & every 1 approach @ this way piont,fly clock wise & depart to this way piont.DA DUH 95%+ more water on the fire
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+1#11RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips FireFirefighter2012-08-10 08:22
Air attack aircraft do not carry retardant. I have flown air attack in the past. Trust me....there is no waiting. Its a very difficult and challenging job coordinating several aircraft with firefighters on the ground. All about tactics and safety. One of the toughest jobs I have ever done.
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-1#12RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-10 08:30
where's the gound crews & hot spots you didn't ask?theres these things called gps
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+1#13RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips FireFirefighter2012-08-10 08:32
Dennis: There are over 30 miles of fireline. Firefighters on the ground set priorities for limited air drops based on tactical and safety needs. Air attack conveys that info and directs air traffic. Pilots fly through smoke and canyons with little visibility. Traffic control is for safety.
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-1#14RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-10 08:34
Traffic control = less water & there is waiting,,,back in your day wasn't but today there is
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0#15DevolutionJ Lundquist2012-08-10 10:04
Love that word.
When I lost my job I started raking pine needles for a living. Kinda like it. I just did the math: it is cheaper to pay people to rake pine needles than put out fires. Used acres and settlement figures from Moonlight and Storrie fires.
Recommend watching Berkely fire video.
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+1#16RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-10 12:03
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another fun fact:
it cost more & more per acre & takes longer & longer every year,to put fires out.
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+1#17Dennis..Yup2012-08-10 12:22
Why do you even have an opinion on something you know nothing about? They cannot just go and drop water,they can't see through the smoke. Why drop water and waste it if you can't see where it is going. Go take a class Dennis, get yourself educated. Your common sense is less than par.
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0#18RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-10 18:37
Why do you even have an opinion on something you know nothing about.approach from L or R flank, don't like but from windward side you can see most of the way or even with todays tec stuff you can even fly in the fog & smoke not a factor..o.k. next lame excuse
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0#19RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-10 18:47
still dosen't explain the incompetence. more getting hurt, more cost,longer to put it out,percentages not in your,,our advantage,,,ya right "for safty" the big pic is more danger
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0#20RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-10 19:00
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where's the dozers,,ho ya i forgot thay do to much damage
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0#21RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-13 07:00
dr bill whattenburg said his dozers are on seen for a total of 8
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0#22RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips FireWeb Manager2012-08-13 07:06
Actually there are 28 dozers working the fire along with 89 fire engines, 9 helicopters, and 14 twenty person hand crews.
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0#23RE: Forest Service responds to Board of Supervisors questions about Chips Firedennis dickerson2012-08-13 07:30
good to know: i think he was just talking just about his dozers
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